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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, November 2 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1293<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
Festival of Rethe (was: Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Festival of Rethe (was: Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
[OT] Surfing with the Apples<BR>
Re: Imperial Known Space<BR>
[OT] D&D vs AD&D<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
[none]<BR>
Re: 'general war' 5FFW [long]<BR>
Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
Re: Idea for honouring J. Andrew Keith<BR>
Re: [way OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
Re: OT: D&D<BR>
Re: Traveller Economics<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:05:12 -0000<BR>
From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: 02 November 1999 00:14<BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>I was referring to the border guards, movement papers, etc. that IIRC had<BR>
>been mentioned vs. an open border allowing firearms to cross state lines.<BR>
>Some states (most?  all?  I don't know for sure) already have laws<BR>
>preventing import of firearms from another state.<BR>
>Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Do you mean State = Nation, or state = constituent part of the USA?<BR>
<BR>
Matt<BR>
<BR>
(in the State of The UK of GB & NI <g>)<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:02:09 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
<BR>
Jesse DeGraff wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Now, does it just "say" reserved 'cause it's really there in the law books<BR>
> that the Gov'mint keeps?<BR>
<BR>
***WARNING:  I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV.  Any<BR>
assumption that the following is valid legal advice is unwarranted; the<BR>
following is based on a layman's opinion of common sense.***<BR>
<BR>
Well, I would think that the doctrine of "ignorance of the law is no<BR>
excuse" only applies to laws whose existence is known to those to whom<BR>
the law applies.  After all, if there has been _no_ public notice<BR>
(however obscure) that using Monkeybagels to prepare one's taxes is<BR>
illegal, then one cannot be prosecuted for filing a Monkeybagel tax<BR>
return.  OTOH, if all certified public accountants have available<BR>
information that Monkeybagel tax returns are illegal, then any CPA who<BR>
files a Monkeybagel tax return _could_ be charged with violating said<BR>
law.  The CPA's client would be liable if either he/she/it could have<BR>
learned from outside sources that Monkeybagel tax returns were illegal,<BR>
or he/she/it ignored the advice of the CPA not to file a Monkeybagel tax<BR>
return, and did so against the advice of someone who was in a position<BR>
to know the law on this matter.<BR>
<BR>
[BTW, see the following Web site [or SJG's Daily Illuminator for 1 Nov<BR>
99] for an explanation of Monkeybagels:<BR>
<BR>
http://www.monkeybagel.com/monkeybagel.html      ]<BR>
<BR>
If there is, in fact, a valid law or regulation against contact with<BR>
extraterrestials, then that law or regulation should only apply to those<BR>
who could have known of it.  In other words, if I'm not _allowed_ to<BR>
know the law or regulation, I shouldn't be held liable for violating it.<BR>
<BR>
***WARNING:  The above is not intended to be construed as legal advice. <BR>
The above-posted information is only a layman's view of common sense.***<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:58:22 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Festival of Rethe (was: Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Glenn remembered:<BR>
>...I recall that in either<BR>
>the Traveller Book or the Traveller Adventure,<BR>
>Rethe/Aramis (or is it Rethe/Regina?  see,<BR>
>Altzheimer's is already setting in) has an annual<BR>
>three-day holiday called "Festival" in which anything<BR>
>goes.<BR>
<BR>
From my Library Data site:<BR>
<BR>
====================<BR>
Rethe, Festival of<BR>
<BR>
Annual celebration of the colony on Rethe ( Regina / Spinward Marches 2408).<BR>
Originally a reaction to the restrictive governmental structure considered<BR>
necessary for survival on Rethe , the three day holiday period has continued as<BR>
a carefree celebration where citizens release the tension that has built up over<BR>
the year. All laws are suspended, with law level becoming 0 during the<BR>
celebrations. Some abuses have always been persistent, but the population has<BR>
always resisted any effort to change the conditions of their favorite holiday.<BR>
<BR>
The Travellers' Aid Society has classified Rethe as an Amber Travel Zone during<BR>
the period of the Festival.<BR>
<BR>
(ADV-1, 1105)<BR>
====================<BR>
<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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REQ'D DISCLAIMER - material & opinions contained within are solely those<BR>
of the author and do not necessarily represent, in whole or in part, the<BR>
position of Centrelink or any other Commonwealth Government agency.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:57:21 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
What was referenced were between individual states in the United States.<BR>
For example, if I wanted to go to Las Vegas, Nevada, from my residence in<BR>
Milpitas, California, I'd need a travel permit or authorization to do so,<BR>
plus inspection of said documents, my "identity papers", etc., before<BR>
crossing into Nevada.  Eek.  No thanks.  Kalifornia is bad enough :)<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Matthew Bond <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 6:35 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
>-----Original Message-----<BR>
>From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
>To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
>Date: 02 November 1999 00:14<BR>
>Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>>I was referring to the border guards, movement papers, etc. that IIRC had<BR>
>>been mentioned vs. an open border allowing firearms to cross state lines.<BR>
>>Some states (most?  all?  I don't know for sure) already have laws<BR>
>>preventing import of firearms from another state.<BR>
>>Jesse<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>Do you mean State = Nation, or state = constituent part of the USA?<BR>
><BR>
>Matt<BR>
><BR>
>(in the State of The UK of GB & NI <g>)<BR>
><BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:12:21 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Festival of Rethe (was: Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
<BR>
david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Dear Folks -<BR>
> <BR>
> Glenn remembered:<BR>
> >...I recall that in either<BR>
> >the Traveller Book or the Traveller Adventure,<BR>
> >Rethe/Aramis (or is it Rethe/Regina?  see,<BR>
> >Altzheimer's is already setting in) has an annual<BR>
> >three-day holiday called "Festival" in which anything<BR>
> >goes.<BR>
> <BR>
> >From my Library Data site:<BR>
> <BR>
> ====================<BR>
> Rethe, Festival of<BR>
> <BR>
> Annual celebration of the colony on Rethe ( Regina / Spinward Marches 2408).<BR>
> Originally a reaction to the restrictive governmental structure considered<BR>
> necessary for survival on Rethe , the three day holiday period has continued as<BR>
> a carefree celebration where citizens release the tension that has built up over<BR>
> the year. All laws are suspended, with law level becoming 0 during the<BR>
> celebrations. Some abuses have always been persistent, but the population has<BR>
> always resisted any effort to change the conditions of their favorite holiday.<BR>
> <BR>
> The Travellers' Aid Society has classified Rethe as an Amber Travel Zone during<BR>
> the period of the Festival.<BR>
<BR>
As a transplant to Louisiana, I have just one thing to say:<BR>
<BR>
LAISSEZ LES BON TEMPS ROULER!<BR>
<BR>
***** O O ****** O ***** (beads and doubloons)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:36:54 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [OT] Surfing with the Apples<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 19:13:13 -0500<BR>
>From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
>Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
><BR>
>BTW, I have a friend who has an Apple//gs, is there any way he can surf the<BR>
>web on this machine?<BR>
>_<BR>
The //gs can, in fact, surf the net, but he will need an ISP who allows<BR>
19200 connections (The GS' serial port doesn't go faster, IIRC), a modem, a<BR>
hard drive card, GSOS 5 or later, a multiple meg memory card, and the<BR>
appropriate software. Check amug for the software... it's expensive, and I<BR>
don't know how well it works... I lack the memory and the hard drive, and<BR>
so haven't bothered with the software.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:28:48 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Imperial Known Space<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:19:15 -0700 (MST)<BR>
>From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
>Subject: Re: Re Imperial Known Space<BR>
><BR>
>Which of the Library data books was this in? Also, where did you get the<BR>
>wall size version??<BR>
<BR>
it's in either Supp 8 or 11, maybe both (my copies on loan to someone...)<BR>
<BR>
The Wall Sized one was in my copy of Deluxe Traveller , ca 1983/84 (CT 5LBB<BR>
box: Bk0, Bk 1-3,  Adv 0, the Marches map, the Known Space Map). Probably a<BR>
packing error in my favor... I do know that the local GameKeeper also had<BR>
some back then.<BR>
<BR>
Also, upon sending a question in to GDW in the late 80's (re the<BR>
annoucement of TNE, and begging them not to do it), they sent me a second<BR>
copy along with the reply... which I sold to someone else a few years back.<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
>Hmmm...there was a grayscale map I saw a loooonngg time ago, posted on the<BR>
>old home of the Traveller Chronicle...was _that_ the map you're talking<BR>
>about?<BR>
><BR>
not grayscale. The wall sized has red sector and subsector delinieations,<BR>
white stars, and white polity borders; the stars are NOT indicative; it<BR>
only shows rough borders.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:20:47 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [OT] D&D vs AD&D<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
>Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:36:51 +0200<BR>
>From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jussi_Kenkkil=E4?= <Jussi.Kenkkila@helsinki.fi><BR>
>Subject: OT: D&D<BR>
><BR>
>> I used to use this method for dealing with drow in my D$D games.<BR>
>><BR>
>There aren't any "drow" in D&D, only shadow elves. (As it would matter to<BR>
>anyone else on this list...)<BR>
><BR>
after the next GenCon, there will be... T$R is dropping the A from AD&D 3rd<BR>
ed... so the D&D/AD&D distinction will be moot... especially since the old<BR>
D&D (basic/expert/companion/master/imortals or<BR>
cyclopaedia/wrath_of_the_immortals) is officially a dead system, and the<BR>
world (Both Mystara and the Hollow World within) are officially moved to<BR>
the AD&D 2 rules, and if demand supports, will migrate to D&D3. [Source:<BR>
TSR's web-site, www.tsr.com]<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:48:13 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
>Intersting... Are you using 9x or NT?<BR>
<BR>
Windows 95 OSR 2.5 (with USB support).  Can't afford NT and I'm not sure all<BR>
my software would work on NT anyway.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:44:49 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [none]<BR>
<BR>
>From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
>Subject: Re: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
><BR>
>Now, does it just "say" reserved 'cause it's really there in the law books<BR>
>that the Gov'mint keeps?<BR>
><BR>
>Jesse ;)<BR>
<BR>
Wouldn't be surprising... take, for example, the roswell AFB files,<BR>
especially around the "incedent". THey can't be found, right? I saw them on<BR>
a finding aid for the National Archives' Archives 2 facility. They are not<BR>
in "Records of the US Air Force", nor in "Records of the US Army", nor even<BR>
"Records of the US Army Corps of Engineers"... BTW, at the time, recall it<BR>
was Roswell Army Air Corps Station... they're in "Records of the Army Air<BR>
Corps"... So when the army says "We don't have them", they're right. When<BR>
the Air Force says "They're Army Records", they're right... Oh, BTW, don't<BR>
bother trying to access them... the finding aid was not classified, but the<BR>
records were listed as classified... and there were only some 5 cubic feet<BR>
in that collection. Not enough for bodies. Maybe slides, but no telling<BR>
from JUST the finding aid...<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:06:40 -0600<BR>
From: Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
Subject: Re: 'general war' 5FFW [long]<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson wrote: [snips etc.]<BR>
>In canon terms...not likely at all.<BR>
<BR>
Ahh, but we can all dream the impossible dream, can't we?<BR>
<BR>
>Go play Diplomacy a half a dozen times or so to get a feel of what that<BR>
kind of conflict<BR>
>would be like...;-)<BR>
<BR>
I'm PROUD to boast a 0-9 record in that game...8-o<BR>
<BR>
By the numbers:<BR>
1) Zhodani. I interpret canon(a dangerous business) pretty much as you<BR>
have elaborated.<BR>
However, I've always wondered about the Zho's apparent omnipotence in<BR>
knowledge/<BR>
intelligence gathering. Do they really know and can they really plan for<BR>
EVERYTHING<BR>
that may happen. Ancient Solomani intel orgs had difficulty interpreting<BR>
the information<BR>
they received from open sources (tv, radio, newspapers and so on)<BR>
because there was<BR>
simply too much of it. IMTU(dreaming again), this difficulty might lead<BR>
the Zho's to<BR>
miscalculate and over react.<BR>
<BR>
2.Solomani. I don't think it would matter very much what the condition<BR>
of their economy<BR>
is; if they had a reasonable opportunity they would go for it. Its not a<BR>
coincidence, after<BR>
all, that the 3FFW and the Solomani Rim War (as it is PROPERLY reffered<BR>
to) occurred<BR>
nearly simultaneously. I can think of a number of real world examples of<BR>
nations going<BR>
to war even though their economy was in the toilet....<BR>
<BR>
3.Vargr. Yes, they would never work together. Just as they don't during<BR>
the Rebellion;<BR>
they could harass a couple of sectors at best. One Vargr raider would be<BR>
as much<BR>
trouble as a mosquito. Course, if a couple of thousand mosquitos see a<BR>
picnic....<BR>
<BR>
4. The Julian Protectorate. I gotta admit, I completely forgot about<BR>
this state; I'll have to<BR>
do some research on it.<BR>
<BR>
5. K'kree. These cows go in on the first wave with the Zho's. MOO YAH!<BR>
<BR>
6. Hivers. I have to concede this point. They would use manipulation to<BR>
deal with the 3I.<BR>
However (IMTU dreaming again) would it not be conceivable that they<BR>
would send<BR>
their neighbors (K'kree, Solomani) after the 3I instead. They do it with<BR>
the Ithus'<BR>
<BR>
7. Aslan. Ok, here I have difficulties understanding cannon. First off,<BR>
we are suppose to<BR>
have more female Aslan than males. Then, those males that are not first<BR>
born run off and<BR>
become Ihatei, "driving their ships to new lands"(Zepplin Rocks!). Does<BR>
this not cause a<BR>
big depopulation problem? The only fix I can think of is that there must<BR>
be an awful lot<BR>
of Aslan.<BR>
<BR>
Now then, there is the Treaty of Ftahir. Canon says (correctly) that it<BR>
would be very<BR>
dishonorable for the Aslan to break the treaty. Ok. When the Rebellion<BR>
occurs, it is now<BR>
honorable to break the treaty because of the death of ONE (quantity 1)<BR>
Aslan? What did<BR>
they do before the Rebellion, when I am very sure allot more Aslan died<BR>
from all manner<BR>
of bad events in the 3I?<BR>
<BR>
So here I am. I guess I got allot of Aslan who can go off at any moment.<BR>
Be honest: if killing one can start them across the border, then having<BR>
17 die because they ate McDitzie burgers filled with contaminated Kraken<BR>
meat at the local Sharushid restaurant should and ought to send them<BR>
into Raving Universe Annihilating. Ruu haaaah!<BR>
<BR>
Finally, it should be noted that while the 3I hasn't expanded its<BR>
borders since the Civil War,<BR>
this by no means should be taken as an indicator that 3I is not capable<BR>
of extending its<BR>
influence and its dominance beyond its borders. Remember: We are told in<BR>
cannon that<BR>
the Megacorporations in the 3I are larger and have more power than those<BR>
outside. IIRC, some of them have territories "in the Imperium and 50<BR>
parsecs beyond". And where the<BR>
Megacorps are, so goes the Imperuim. And the locals might really, really<BR>
despise it. Real world: practically every time the French have a dispute<BR>
with America, the local McDonalds in France can expect to get trashed.<BR>
<BR>
Course, having been in a McDonalds in France, I'd probably...Ohh,  never<BR>
mind.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for the critiques! They inspire me to come up with ideas....uhoh<BR>
here comes another one:<BR>
                       BRUCE JOHNSON FOR PRESIDENT   8-D<BR>
<BR>
Dan Roseberry (plop101) Another Quick and Dirty Post AQDP<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:16:20 -0800<BR>
From: Kristian Miller <travellerne@3rd-imperium.com><BR>
Subject: Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
<BR>
Charles Collin wrote:<BR>
...<BR>
> you had a kind of knee-jerk reaction where you reflexively hugged a<BR>
> variety of constitutional amendments to your chests.  This has nothing to<BR>
<BR>
I suppose the reactions might look kind of "knee jerk."  I suspect if<BR>
people had really been reading, they would have noticed that this<BR>
statement:<BR>
<BR>
> do with that.  The "Day of Peace" movement is not anti-gun nor anti-free<BR>
> speech.  It is anti-violence.<BR>
<BR>
really isn't true.  The first activity listed in the initial post was to<BR>
have one day "where no gun was fired."  It wasn't linked to violent<BR>
activity in any way.  It only stated that no one should fire a gun. <BR>
Since that would include not firing a gun for a peaceful and lawful<BR>
activity (such as target practice), I can see why the list members would<BR>
see it as an anti-gun movement.  I certainly saw it as being "anti-gun."<BR>
<BR>
Kristian<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:34:58 -0600<BR>
From: Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Idea for honouring J. Andrew Keith<BR>
<BR>
I dont speak well on these matters; I will be brief.<BR>
<BR>
As a number of others of said, we should treat this with dignity and<BR>
respect.<BR>
The wishes of the Keith family MUST be obeyed.<BR>
<BR>
There is a Sector already named for a individual: Iphegenia Sector, past<BR>
and between<BR>
the Zhodani Consulate and The Aslan Hierate. It is fitting and proper<BR>
than one should<BR>
be found for J. Andrew Keith provided that his family approves.<BR>
<BR>
                                             ><BR>
><BR>
     ><BR>
         ><BR>
<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:55:38 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [way OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
>>Yes, it's obvious that our attempts to destroy Canadian society and turn<BR>
>>it into a shadow of the United States have met with repeated failure.<BR>
>>Our scientists continue to study methods of dealing with the Menace of<BR>
>>the North.<BR>
><BR>
>Comrade Hudson, our infiltration of the evil capitalist propaganda machine<BR>
>is vorking. Zoon it vill be time for our zecret pre-emptive counterattack...<BR>
><BR>
>And zey zuspect not'ing....<BR>
<BR>
Bwa-ha-ha-ha and all that. Look at the facts:<BR>
- - Captain of the USS Enterprise (the original), the best captain in<BR>
Star Fleet: played by William Shatner, a Canadian.<BR>
- - Dashing and handsome hot-shot attorney and ex-pilot for the US Navy<BR>
in the TV series JAG: played by David James Eliot, a Canadian.<BR>
- - Veteran comic actor Leslie Nielsen, a Canadian; his brother Eric used<BR>
to be a Member of (the Canadian) Parliament.<BR>
- - Oscar-winning film director Norman Jewison: a Canadian.<BR>
- - Guy Lombardo, perennial New Years Eve host, even after his death: a<BR>
Canadian.<BR>
- - Alex Trebek, whose game-show screens American contestants for their<BR>
intelligence: a Canadian. (That one is almost sinister when you think<BR>
about it...)<BR>
<BR>
And if someone is not a US citizen and wants to work in the US, they<BR>
need a "Greene card", named for the patriarch of the Canadians working<BR>
in Hollywood, the late Lorne Greene...<BR>
<BR>
http://fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~vschmid/canagent.htm for more details.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:02:44 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
>Like I said, I'm not sure.  I know for instance that I can't go to Nevada<BR>
>and pick up a mil-style semi auto and import it into CA since CA is so<BR>
>uptight about said weapons type. <BR>
<BR>
Maybe not legally, but if you got it into your head to go to Nevada,<BR>
buy a semi-auto gun, and bring it back home to California, what could<BR>
possibly stop you? Sure, if/when you finally decided to use it you'd <BR>
get your butt nailed to the wall on the weapons offence, but that would<BR>
be after the fact. That's why gun laws at anything less than a national<BR>
level are doomed to failure.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:19:05 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>A nice touch for such a planet might be that nothing s "illegal" per<BR>
>>se. It's just that there's a fine/fee for doing it. With some things<BR>
>>carrying *really* high fees.<BR>
>><BR>
>>You killed someone in a bar fight? Ok, let's see what he was worth (to<BR>
>>his family/employer/whatever). <BR>
>><BR>
>>Ah! That deader was out of work, and almost out of cash, with no family<BR>
>>or friends on record. You are fined for leaving the body laying around<BR>
>>instead of tossing it into the *appropriate* dumpster[1]. 10 credits<BR>
>>please.<BR>
>><BR>
>>Tsk, tsk. This fellow over here, whose jaw you broke? He's a highly<BR>
>>skilled Space traffic controller, and it's going to cost 1000 credits a<BR>
>>*day* to replace him while he recovers. You are assessed double that<BR>
>>(various handling fees & penalties). <BR>
>><BR>
>>[1]the idea of specific dumpsters for tossing *unimportant* dead bodies<BR>
>>(human, animal, or alien) in ought to properly boggle some players.<BR>
>><BR>
>>Oh yeah, if they don't check the regs, you can later gig them for<BR>
>>"improper use" of such a dumpster for not properly bagging and sealing<BR>
>>the body into the standard "body bag". Don't forget to charge them for<BR>
>>the time of the lab techs that got the forensic evidence that IDed<BR>
>>them, and any other costs associated with tracking them down and<BR>
>>billing them for it.<BR>
<BR>
A question for the readers at large. Is this a *high* Law Level world<BR>
or a low one? Think about it. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:17:58 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>A nice touch for such a planet might be that nothing s "illegal" per<BR>
>>se. It's just that there's a fine/fee for doing it. With some things<BR>
>>carrying *really* high fees.<BR>
>><BR>
>>You killed someone in a bar fight? Ok, let's see what he was worth (to<BR>
>>his family/employer/whatever). <BR>
>><BR>
>>Ah! That deader was out of work, and almost out of cash, with no family<BR>
>>or friends on record. You are fined for leaving the body laying around<BR>
>>instead of tossing it into the *appropriate* dumpster[1]. 10 credits<BR>
>>please.<BR>
>><BR>
>>Tsk, tsk. This fellow over here, whose jaw you broke? He's a highly<BR>
>>skilled Space traffic controller, and it's going to cost 1000 credits a<BR>
>>*day* to replace him while he recovers. You are assessed double that<BR>
>>(various handling fees & penalties). <BR>
>><BR>
>>[1]the idea of specific dumpsters for tossing *unimportant* dead bodies<BR>
>>(human, animal, or alien) in ought to properly boggle some players.<BR>
>><BR>
>>Oh yeah, if they don't check the regs, you can later gig them for<BR>
>>"improper use" of such a dumpster for not properly bagging and sealing<BR>
>>the body into the standard "body bag". Don't forget to charge them for<BR>
>>the time of the lab techs that got the forensic evidence that IDed<BR>
>>them, and any other costs associated with tracking them down and<BR>
>>billing them for it.<BR>
<BR>
> Ohhh, that is TWISTED!  I LOVE it!!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
I try. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:33:36 -0600<BR>
From: Shimmergloom <shimmer@mhtc.net><BR>
Subject: Re: OT: D&D<BR>
<BR>
rofl....<BR>
<BR>
Forgive me.  I should have said AD$D.  Of course, I did mix the two setting fairly liberally so I did once<BR>
have a drow army attack Glantari.  It was an interesting fight, and the players decided to join the Drow.<BR>
lol...<BR>
<BR>
Jussi Kenkkil wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> > I used to use this method for dealing with drow in my D$D games.<BR>
> ><BR>
> There aren't any "drow" in D&D, only shadow elves. (As it would matter to anyone else on this list...)<BR>
><BR>
> -J2K<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
- ----------------------------------------------<BR>
he he he he he he he he he he he he<BR>
<BR>
      Shimmer<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:36:54 +1000<BR>
From: Graeme_Batho@agd.nsw.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller Economics<BR>
<BR>
Thanks to everyone who responsed to my questions. You have all confirmed just<BR>
what I had hoped for:<BR>
1) Swordworlders have their own currency.<BR>
2) It gets traded against other money.<BR>
<BR>
With those two conditions met it follows that our mercenary group can try<BR>
something we're prevented from doing in the Imperium by the Imperial Rules of<BR>
War. The bit about not restricting free trade.<BR>
<BR>
You see, we can conduct ECONOMIC warfare.<BR>
<BR>
I'd elaborate, but our GM's on the list. Besides, there's no guarantee that the<BR>
right circumstances will come up. Either way, I'll spill all in a couple of<BR>
weeks.<BR>
<BR>
Oh, and keep taking the pills Daryl.<BR>
_______________________________________________<BR>
If at first you don't succeed, DON'T try Russian Roulette.<BR>
<BR>
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